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Its funny what excites some people. If you are interested in the science of crystallography, any mention of five-fold symmetry in crystal formation is exciting stuff. The following certainly perked up my interest:

A team of UK researchers has grown ice crystals in which the water molecules are arranged into pentagons rather than the hexagons found in every natural snowflake.

The unusual ice was grown on a copper surface under a vacuum at -173°C. It owes its pentagonal form to the way the water molecules bond with the underlying copper.


The article in New Scientist is here.

If you are wondering why crystals with five-fold symmetry are so unusual, think about floor tiles. They can have 2-fold symmetry like rectangles, three fold like triangles, 4-fold like squares or 6-fold like a hexagon. Its a bit more complex than that because you can, for example, combine 2 triangles into a rectangle. Overall there are 17 different symmetry arrangements possible for tessalating tiles ("plane space groups") and none of them have 5-fold symmetry. Just try fitting a bunch of pentagons together without gaps and you will see the problem.

The same is true in three dimensions. So while individual molecules and living things can have five-fold rotational symmetry, it is very unusual in crystals. It has only been in the last 20 - 30 years that they have been found at all and new examples don't come along very often - never for something as simple as water ice. In science, new and unusual is exciting.

Date: 2009-03-10 12:49 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] threemonkeys.livejournal.com
It sounds it doesnt it. In practice it involved a lot of computer work and the guy doing his research on something similar for magnetic resonance spectra and I spent way to much of our time playing games on said computers. A whole different and more common form of nerdiness.

Date: 2009-03-10 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] random-alex.livejournal.com
But having a PhD in itself is nerdy, no matter how you managed to procrastinate (me, I've been listening to the Beeb's 'Rendezvous with Rama')... and crystallography is inherently awesome.

Date: 2009-03-10 01:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] threemonkeys.livejournal.com
... and crystallography is inherently awesome.

Too right!

Date: 2009-03-10 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] random-alex.livejournal.com
heh heh. Good that you can still have excitement about your PhD topic, too.

Date: 2009-03-10 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capnoblivious.livejournal.com
The Beeb's done "Rendezvous with Rama"? Ooh.

Date: 2009-03-10 01:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] threemonkeys.livejournal.com
I'll second that ooh.

Date: 2009-03-10 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] random-alex.livejournal.com
Yeh - it was part of their 'classic serial' radio thing. Two parts, dramatised, done as a retrospective interview with members of the Rama team. I *think* the first part is no longer available online, I'm afraid; I listened to the second part this morning.

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